Jalen Rose breaks down criteria for the NBA GOAT debate | Jalen & Jacoby

14 Tet 2020
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Jalen Rose and David Jacoby break down the criteria for who the GOAT is between Los Angeles Lakers star LeBron James, Chicago Bulls legend Michael Jordan and others.
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  • This “conversation” is the ultimate clickbait and nothing more. It’s gonna hunt us for years and it’s gonna hunt lbj, an amazing, extraordinary player that have no business being compared to MJ tho

    Matteo RubertoMatteo Ruberto8 orë më parë
  • But we know we gotta grade lebron on a curve. If not we hating. Lol

    Acesbac32Acesbac329 orë më parë
  • The criteria ? One word ..... JORDAN ALL other discussion is amongst the 2nd , 3rd , 4th , and 5th. PERIOD .

    y noty not10 orë më parë
  • Jordan has 10 scoring titles. Lebron has one. Lebron has more points than Jordan already. Lebron does everything else better on a basketball court, Jordan’s advantage is his scoring, but Lebron has more points. I love Micheal Jordan, but I’d rather have Lebron James. You put Lebron up against the competition that Jordan faced and he would have demolished those guys.

    Gregory CarterGregory Carter14 orë më parë
  • GOAT is beyond opinion, its defined by the impact a player had on the game. Jordan made basketball famous and changed the game forever. Nobody before or after him was able to impact the game on the level or higher than Michael Jordan. Jordan overshadowed everybody else and was more famous than basketball itself. If we have a player that does that again, we may have a chance for a debate. But for now its MJ

    John HitmanJohn Hitman16 orë më parë
  • lechoke acting like the goat is the funniest thing ever!

    boy el royboy el roy22 orë më parë
  • I feel if LeBron just went with it and said Yea I'm the greatest ever every time he's asked and didn't shy away from it it wouldn't be that big of deal just acknowledge it LeBron feed into It I probably would I'll be like where the camera at I'll look directly into it and say I love you Mike but I'm better than you 😉

    Deadpool316Deadpool31622 orë më parë
  • They forgot criterion addressing saying things that would turn off fans & make ratings tank. 1998 Finals Game 6- 36 mil. 2020 Finals Game 6- 6 mil.

    supercrunkalatedsupercrunkalatedDitë më parë
  • Mikes last game in the finals had 60 million people who watched. Lebron just had 6 million and he plays for LA. Thats the end of that discussion.

    Mark MacMark MacDitë më parë
  • Michael is #1

    Amir HarrisAmir HarrisDitë më parë
  • You can’t say who’s the GOAT because time hasn’t ended.

    Amir HarrisAmir HarrisDitë më parë
  • Or... Magic Goat PG, MJ Goat SG, LeBron Goat SF, Insert your PF, Kareem Goat C

    Romeoosso GamingRomeoosso GamingDitë më parë
  • MJ is the Greatest LBJ is the Best Greatest is measured by Legend and Feats. Being the Best is measured by Overall Ability(tangibles +intangibles).

    Kostini MikadoKostini MikadoDitë më parë
  • Lebron and team USA lost in 2004 Olympics and got the bronze medal. Jordan has won gold for all the Team USA Olympics he's been with. On top of that, he won the Olympics while he was still in college. That's GREATNESS. JordanistheGOAT.

    Cyd SantosCyd SantosDitë më parë
  • Idiots

    Steve MartinezSteve MartinezDitë më parë
  • Why isn’t Kobe considered in this talk

    jasonplasencia79jasonplasencia79Ditë më parë
  • Its wrong to skip RPG, APG, BPG, SPG titles, First Team All-NBA, First Team All-Defense, PER, Win Shares, BPM

    Soul Of AmericaSoul Of America2 ditë më parë
  • lebron is great mj is the greatest

    locoripper vanglocoripper vang2 ditë më parë
  • Why scoring title over assists title? That criteria is definitely biased towards Jordan.

    Alec HarrisAlec Harris2 ditë më parë
    • I guess you just said it. An assitant assists the main player of that play. Jordan aint nobody secretary. Pass like Magic, and shoot like Bird. But man, just be like Mike.

      Rafael ZimmermannRafael Zimmermann15 orë më parë
  • Scoring title shouldn't be one of these 5 boxes to check. C'mon now. Jordan averaged over 23 field goal attempts per game for his ENTIRE career with the Chicago bulls. MJ averaged 31.5 ppg in those 13 seasons with chicago because of the amount of shots he took every game. Lebron only averaged over 23 field goal attempts per game in only ONE season of his entire 17 year career. The ONLY season that Lebron averaged 23 field goal attempts he averaged 31.4 ppg. How about that? You penalize a player for being more of a team player? If you look at how many points LJ averages per fga over his career vs MJ. LJ's stats are better. Divide total points in career by total fga in career. Then you can see how many points are averaged per fga. Jordan averaged 8.7 free throw attempts per game during his 13 years in Chicago where LJ only averages 8.0 fta per game through his entire career. My point with FTA per career is Jordan even averages more FTA per game career wise than Lebron too. Yet Lebron still averages more pts per FGA through career. LJ (34241 pts/24781 fga =1.38.) I'm only using MJs 13 years with Chicago. MJ (29277 pts /21686 fga =1.35.)

    rilenixxrilenixx2 ditë më parë
    • @Chris Prievo 3PA are still part of total FGA. So Lebrons extra 3p shots he made thru his entire career vs Jordans only means Lebron accumulated 1 extra point for each make in that fashion. Take Jordans almost 60 more fta he averaged per year thru his career into account as well. At the end of the day Lebrons per fga attempt point value is still better. And free throws are part of total points but not total fga. Meaning the more free throws you make per game only HELPS the total points average per FGA.

      rilenixxrilenixx2 ditë më parë
    • @Chris Prievo I used only his chicago years. Throw in his entire career for even lower numbers. I'm still only using his Chicago years below. Point is that MJ averaged over 23 fga per game for his entire career. That is division I used. Total number of POINTS divided by total number of FGA. Your bringing 3 pt attempts into it. Ok. MJ averaged .7 more free throw attempts per game than LJ which turns into 57.4 more fta per year than LJ averages. So LJ has made 1320 more 3 pointers in his entire career then MJ made. To be honest I don't like either one of them. I'm commenting on scoring titles being one of these 5 checkmarks they use. Its ridiculous. If Lebron averaged as many shots per game that Jordan did then he would be averaging slightly more points a game.

      rilenixxrilenixx2 ditë më parë
    • and look at Lebron's 3 point attempts vs Jordans....that negates that theory. Lebron 5,546 vs MJ's 1,778 attempts...LOL..(everybody seems to to forget that important detail) and Lebron made 1,827 vs MJs making 581....and THAT is why Lebron passed MJ in points. 3points add up more than 2 points..(though it took him alot longer to do it) Lebron also played his entire carreer in a no hand checking era where it is easier to score, & his shot % is only a 1-1.5% better than MJs???? LOL...wow...if he was better he should be more than 5-10 % higher in his % with uncontested shots. Jordan still has the highest PER rating anyway. Better offensive and defensive player than Lebron. Lebron can keep that assists and blocks..I'll go with Jordan stats. Jordan can pass just as good as Lebron if not better. Jordan has more steals & more offensive rebounds to...and the intangible things like drive & determination. Lebron is only a good facilitator cuz he hand picks his superstar teammates so of course they will score of his assists. Jordan's 1989 season alone crushes ANY season Lebron has done.

      Chris PrievoChris Prievo2 ditë më parë
  • This criteria is a joke!! 10x scoring titles and 6 of them goes to the finals, the 60% with all those accolades that accompany him. Lebron James' strengths are assists and as facilitator, look at the top assists players, all PGs but how many times did they reach the finals??? Jalen is bias with his GOAT criteria, LBJ has only played to compete in the finals, no other players in Jordan Era has reach the finals this much in a lifetime. Bill Russell era cant be compared with less team and less competition. People says its a TEAM game but the criteria argue over MJ as Goat with individual accolades????, the 6-0 is just there as a gate keeper when a solid argument is being realize, same as Kobe when he lost in the finals. MJ is the goat, but Lebron James is challenging the definition of a GOAT. Suddenly MJ standards are not the best attributes of a complete basket ball player which suggest that being a GOAT isn't about scoring and taking the last shot. I'm not saying LBJ > MJ right now but he could if goes to his 40's with a few more rings and gets the 1# in points of all time, at some point these analyst needs to accept that they given LBJ an insurmountable task to upset MJ and there should be finite limit to all the additional requirements they added over the years.

    Victor SantosVictor Santos2 ditë më parë
    • LOL..Nobody thinks Lebron is challenging the definition of goat. He has way too many blemishes...4th quarter disappearances., flopping, jumping teams after losing, recruiting players, sweeps in the finals, 3 no shows in playoffs when he started, soon to be all time turnovers king, and the biggest stain...Jason Terry. Modern medicine & Sorts training is what is keeping his longevity and his young start in the NBA, nothing more...he has 2 years at most left before other players challenging his dominance start to peak and move Lebron aside for good(ie, Zion, Kwai, Giannnis, etc)

      Chris PrievoChris Prievo2 ditë më parë
  • Smh jordan bulls when they lead by 10 points or more at some point of the game they Never lose but LBJ teams when leading by 10points or more still loss 42times during his career.....that’s a FACT and it’s incomparable....this is the Facts that basketball expert never talk about

    jeff enolpejeff enolpe2 ditë më parë
  • So cutee

    shane wrightshane wright2 ditë më parë
  • So cutee

    Morgan KaylaMorgan Kayla2 ditë më parë
  • You guys made up these criteria.

    Hawi worknehHawi workneh2 ditë më parë
  • People don’t realise how lebron build different like no other. Lebron the goat 🐐

    Hawi worknehHawi workneh2 ditë më parë
  • I mean the G. O. A. T debate was over the moment they call Jordan Black jesus.... Lebron is a good player but he's no black jesus

    NightwatchmenNightwatchmen2 ditë më parë
  • NO DEBATE!!! THE ONLY THING GOAT ABOUT LA BRONNA IS HIS FACE !! HE LOOKS LIKE A GOAT BUT OTHER THAN THAT HE AINT EVEN AS GOOD AS KOBE!! AND KOBE WASNT EVEN CLOSE TO THE G.O.A.T. MICHEAL JORDAN!!!!

    Alonzo GarzaAlonzo Garza3 ditë më parë
  • I'm back again this is how you put things to rest....Jalen jocoby crushed narrative

    Chris GordonChris Gordon3 ditë më parë
  • Michael had the perfect storybook career. He’s always going to be the gold standard that others are compared to. After lebron is retired, there will be other players that arise that get compared to mj. Not Kobe, not lebron. They will be compared to mj, the gold standard. He’s the best for a reason, even though we’re talking about the handful of greatest players ever. They are all great players. But, Michael is #1.

    Jeff MJeff M3 ditë më parë
  • STOP JUST STOP LeBron was not, is not and will not ever be Michael Jordan. Stop with the blasphemy. Do not compare them. LeChina is good but isn’t even top three of all time MJ Magic Bill Russel Kobe LeBum

    Captain RamirezCaptain Ramirez3 ditë më parë
  • Game 21 make it take it

    Demo BDemo B3 ditë më parë
  • Money on the table Lebron at his best MJ at his best who yall got

    Demo BDemo B3 ditë më parë
  • The Bron heads are going to say "But Bron But Bron But Bron" 😑 so you are going to lie and take away from Jordan just to boost up Lebron as GOAT? conversation over with because we see how far from statistic reality I'm not arguing with a crazy fan no money involved so why waste my time

    Daniel GlassDaniel Glass3 ditë më parë
  • Just one question Jalen Rose I just notice when Michael Jordan leave the bulls but still make in a playoff..and every team that lebron James leave become trash..??

    Nestor AbarquezNestor Abarquez3 ditë më parë
    • That is because Jordan mentored & pushed half that Bulls team for 6 years prior before he went to baseball. You really think Pippen could lead the Bulls (Even with Phil as coach) if he still played like he did his early years???? Nope.

      Chris PrievoChris Prievo2 ditë më parë
  • Kareem has created dynasties at every level. High School, College and the pros. 6 time league MVP, Most points scored in the history of basketball. on and on it goes.

    Sherrod MacSSherrod MacS3 ditë më parë
  • I ranked the goat as follows No. 1 MJ, no. 2 johnny kilroy, no.3 kobe no.4 is Lebron james 😁😁😁

    observer guy69observer guy693 ditë më parë
  • It's obvious MJ is the GOAT...even after that, there is still a lot of players over James

    Yan KarleyYan Karley3 ditë më parë
  • I don’t even know why they compare lebron to Jordan when Kobe was still better than lebron

    RJ DodgerzRJ Dodgerz3 ditë më parë
  • Jordan has 10 scoring titles and Lebron has one but Lebron has more career points than MJ they are both great

    Jerusalem JimJerusalem Jim3 ditë më parë
  • Lebron has a higher impact on each of his teams than mj PERIOD.

    king palmerking palmer4 ditë më parë
  • I have a more simple criteria. If Jordan and Lebron were on the same team, who would be the leader of the team? I think we all know the answer to that. Jordan would take a back seat to noone. Lebron would fall in line.

    Marco ArreolaMarco Arreola4 ditë më parë
  • JORDAN played 15 years, got that @$$ whooped for 9 years. Yall Jordan lovers never speak about that!!

    A CA C4 ditë më parë
    • @Chris Prievo No DEFENSE? Buddy, THIS LEAGUE TODAY IS SO MUCH MORE TALENTED THAN WHAT MJ PLAYED THROUGH OKAY.

      NVNV2 ditë më parë
    • @Chris Prievo Oh MJ mentored right? Yeah, Kwame Brown became a star right. Fool, while Mj "meNtorEd" since his career was over, LeBron has won a championship and is still considered the best in the game.

      NVNV2 ditë më parë
    • LOL...typical Brontard commenting when the debate was long over with by hyping up his mediocrity and leaves out most of the full context narrative...too with bad all his playoffs, his clutches, his triple doubles, he couldn't win more rings..or more awards in an easy to score, no defense era...LMFAO) he has to hand pick his own super team..Mj at least mentored and better the team he was dealt with & didn't jump ship every time he lost & recruit players to make him win). Sorry Jordan's unbeatable legacy butthutrs you but facts are facts. Now shoo...be gone peasant....LOL

      Chris PrievoChris Prievo2 ditë më parë
    • @Chris Prievo LeBron has accomplished equally great things in these times while also ACTUALLY BEING SUCCESSFUL IN THE PLAYOFFS.

      NVNV2 ditë më parë
    • @NV (obviosly you were watching the youtube ads instead of the video...LOL) So we are just gonna magically forget about ALL the other vast & numerous awards Jordan accomplished in those OTHER 9 years?? That IS the GREATEST career....the most awards than ANY player & did it in less time. So sit back down...LMAO . Don't respond again with stupid nonsense.

      Chris PrievoChris Prievo2 ditë më parë
  • MJ made the NBA what it is now so with that being said he the goat.

    Trell TwiceTrell Twice4 ditë më parë
  • Very few players liked him back then!!!

    A CA C4 ditë më parë
  • Michael Jordan was a "Ball Hog". Any player in the NBA can very easy get 10 scoring titles if you bullied the ball from other players and never let them touched the basketball!!! Furthermore players don't play like that anymore.

    A CA C4 ditë më parë
  • To me, basketball is about scoring points. MJ won the scoring title 10 times. Lebron did it once. It's as simple as that.

    thira lanupthira lanup4 ditë më parë
  • Didn't bill russel play with 6 other hof

    Chem39Chem394 ditë më parë
  • 20,30 years from now LeBron will be the 🐐 the gate keepers to Jordan's legacy will have died off! And the ones who witness LeBron's greatness will be doing what we are doing now with the 🐐 conversation.

    King NapoleonKing Napoleon4 ditë më parë
    • facts dont disappear even if the "gatekeepers" do. Sorry. Lebron had his chance years ago. hardly anybody cares about his legacy...LMAO...the record low rating this year prove this..LOL

      Chris PrievoChris Prievo3 ditë më parë
  • The slide at 2:12 says it all.

    DFTA (Don't Feed The Animals)DFTA (Don't Feed The Animals)4 ditë më parë
  • This only shows how magnificent Michael Jordan is. Like just look at the criteria, the career accolades man, that’s not easy to achieve. MJ is on another level. He’s the true G.O.A.T.

    Claire DaquilosClaire Daquilos4 ditë më parë
  • 30 plus million people watched Jordan in the finals. 7 million people tuned into the finals this year. The people have spoken.

    Chris MasChris Mas4 ditë më parë
  • old heads needs to move on...players now are better faster stronger and make basketball look easy.. don't tell me stockton can beat Lillard,or a 6'8 250lbs can't play in Jordans era..yall just hatin LoL,LeBron can't dunk over bulls center Kukoc??stop it

    J Ernest RamosJ Ernest Ramos4 ditë më parë
    • Bigger Faster & Stronger don't mean a thing....Just ask Jason Terry...LOL

      Chris PrievoChris Prievo3 ditë më parë
  • For all who say LeBron's the G.O.A.T. I have one question for you. If you have to take a flight to anywhere in the world and you had the choice between boarding a plane that crashes 60% of the time vs boarding a plane that doesn't crash at all, which one would you choose?

    cedric cartercedric carter4 ditë më parë
  • what about assists and rebounds ? Seems like Jalen Rose picked stats in favor of michael jordan only lol

    Nael FoleyNael Foley4 ditë më parë
  • lebron let his COUNTRY DOWN 2004 bronze..

    Joseph Edward BritaniaJoseph Edward Britania4 ditë më parë
  • Brontards be like: they shouldve included number of finals appearance. Me: Being swept twice is automatic exclusion from the GOAT debate.

    Historyahe with MotoProfHistoryahe with MotoProf4 ditë më parë
    • How about being swept in the first round

      it's Dorianit's Dorian2 ditë më parë
  • Lol no one in the NBA has 2 3peat MJ and the bulls only

    Marvsjo07Marvsjo074 ditë më parë
  • Dis is so bias

    Jake LongJake Long4 ditë më parë
  • ....they’re also sometimes talk “longevity”. This guy(MJ) I don’t think 🤔 was even playing with thought of “I wanna be the GOAT 🐐!”. It was just a game he loves and wanted to be the best. And even thought of and left the NBA, for 3years?

    info_ prodigiousleyinfo_ prodigiousley4 ditë më parë
  • im pretty sure james started this debate with his controversial interview back then. i guess thats one way to put your name next to jordan...

    manolis wecmanolis wec4 ditë më parë
  • Jordan shot more who has the better basketball IQ bron makes everyone better when it's LeBron jordan debate it all about titles yet Russel played 13 years went to the finals 12 times won 11 Robert Horry won 7 titles do that make him better than Barkley. Jordan builds prisons LeBron build schools for our youths. Is this the same Jordan who said he made his shoes for whites and who could afford em when people was getting killed over his shoes

    Mayan WardMayan Ward4 ditë më parë
    • Hate to break it to ya but the "Michael Jordan" who built prisons was an old white guy....LMAO...you lost ALL credibility with that.. Not even gonna comment on the other BS you wrote..

      Chris PrievoChris Prievo3 ditë më parë
  • No matter how you change the criteria, at the end of the day Lebron will never be as great as Jordan..... NEVER!

    LukeLuke4 ditë më parë
  • There was never the debate about goat. Who is number #2. That is real question

    Mirza HodzicMirza Hodzic4 ditë më parë
  • Jordan clear number 1 , Lebron is about 5 or 6 , why compare yet, Lebron is still climbing Mount Rushmore. Example I can’t give Lebron Kareems life time achievement award till he passes him.

    SuperJohn12354SuperJohn123544 ditë më parë
  • Jordan, Russell, Bird, Kareem, Kobe, Wilt, Lebron in that order

    Mj FMj F5 ditë më parë
  • give mj A.D. . give bron scottie and the whole bulls. makes sense. hahah

    Casey JonesCasey Jones5 ditë më parë
  • It is not even close! The inconsistent performance of LJ, especially when he defenses. The altitude he had when he claimed himself as GOAT. A show on TV when he announced his trade? Come on man... So many flaws!

    ychen26ychen265 ditë më parë
  • Michael Jordan's the Goat. Kobe Bryant is next don't know where LBJ --fits in seventh or eighth

    Richard GrableRichard Grable5 ditë më parë
  • Scoring Titles...Jordan...Checkmate!

    Christoff HChristoff H5 ditë më parë
  • Lebron realized the backlash he got from saying he was the goat when he won four years ago. He speaking a different tune now.

    Chad LoChad Lo5 ditë më parë
  • Just watch from 6:30 I saved you 6 minutes of your life.

    Brian ChuBrian Chu5 ditë më parë
  • TOP 10 NBA PLAYERS: 1. TIE 1. Michael Jordan (Best of the 90’s) 2. Bill Russel (Best of the 60’s) 2. Kareem Abdul Jabbar (Best All Around Career) 3. Kobe Bryant (Best of the 2000’s) 4. Lebron James (Best of 2010’s) 5. Tim Duncan (Best Players Player) 6. Magic Johnson (Best of the 80’s [tie]) 7. Shaquille O’Neal (Most Dominant Player) 8. Hakeem Olijawan (The Dream) 9. Larry Bird (Best of the 80’s [tie]) 10. Julius Irving (Best of the 70’s) Done...

    Nick TantilloNick Tantillo5 ditë më parë
  • I have a better criteria. It needs to be objective not subjective Dpoy, MVP, final mvp are subjective. They're popular contests PER, Titles, (scoring titles or All time #1 in at least one major statistical category) and # of 3 peats. That's objective. Jordan still wins :)

    JustAManJustAMan5 ditë më parë
  • Who is better player, a player that only took 100 games just to reach 20k points or a player that took 200 games just to reach 20k? That's how you compare players.

    senseofeomor 11senseofeomor 115 ditë më parë
    • Fun Fact..Jordan had over 1,200 more points than Kareem by their respective 15th seasons. That should tell you. :-)

      Chris PrievoChris Prievo3 ditë më parë
  • Michael Jordan the best player history

    Marino RodriguezMarino Rodriguez5 ditë më parë
  • LeBron knows Jordan is the better than him. Why can't you stupid ppl see it. Now it took LeBron 17 years to win 4. It took Jordan 13 years to win 6. Now there is no debate. Michael Jordan only played 13 seasons with the bulls. An 2 seasons with Washington. Which is only 15 seasons. LeBron is already on his 17 season. An still haven't won 5 or 6 rings. An how many all stars did LeBron James need to win his rings.

    Jesse RamosJesse Ramos5 ditë më parë
  • Hmmm Wilt Chamberlain Magic Johnson plating center to win the championship Wait anybody remember Bill Russell? He had how many rings how many times in a row?Uf there was free agency back when Bill was carrying that rock he would have won a championship with every team in the NBA. He won 11 championships in his 13 year career. There’s just one of your All Time bests for now

    JOE BLOWJOE BLOW5 ditë më parë
  • No comparison but I do respect others opinions. Jordan is the G.O.A.T Lebron doesn't stack up.

    Larnelle SnowdenLarnelle Snowden5 ditë më parë
  • Not only this....lets look at advance analytical metrics: Player Efficiency Rating or PER - Jordan is 1st of all time in regular season and the playoffs Win Shares per 48 minutes - Jordan is 1st of all time in regular season and playoffs Box Plus Minus - Jordan is 1st of all time in regular season and playoffs Value Over Replacement Player per 48 minutes - Jordan is 1st all time in regular season and playoffs According to Value Over Replacement Player, Jordan has 6 of the 9 greatest seasons ever played (including #1 spot) Hollingers "Game Score" statistic - Jordan has 19 of the top 100 individual all time greatest games compared to LeBrons 6. Jordan also has the single greatest game performance of all time for his 69 point, 18 rebound masterpiece. See a theme here?? Its not even close, even taking out personal accolades

    Guns-n-GearsGuns-n-Gears5 ditë më parë
    • @it's Dorian 1999 Bulls went 17-65 post Jordan and the 2018 Cavs went 19-63 post LeBron. Bulls went 62-20 year prior while Cavs went 50-32. So Jordan’s team was -45 while LeBrons team was -31. So Jordan’s team saw a bigger drop....so not sure your argument here in addition to all the advanced analytics confirming Jordan was the better player

      Guns-n-GearsGuns-n-GearsDitë më parë
    • @Guns-n-Gears you didn't answer my question

      it's Dorianit's DorianDitë më parë
    • @it's Dorian in order for that to be a relevant argument, you’d have to assume that Lebron and Jordan were the ONLY players to leave a given team to evaluate drop in performance or wins by removal of a single player, which didn’t happen. But nice try

      Guns-n-GearsGuns-n-Gears2 ditë më parë
    • Tell me this how good were the bulls when jordan left and how good were lebrons teams when he left

      it's Dorianit's Dorian2 ditë më parë
  • Bronsexuals pressed af

    darkrainne 679darkrainne 6795 ditë më parë
  • Lebron can't be better then jordan when he's not even better then Kobe yet

    Jose Juan JonJose Juan Jon5 ditë më parë
  • regardless, we need this in sports! competition, rivalries, debates, it all comes for love of the game Im just wondering whos the next NBA player to challenge it or carry the NBA like Kobe, Lebron did after MJ

    Los Family Adventures!Los Family Adventures!5 ditë më parë
  • Jalen Rose 81!!! Please sit down Mr. Never won a ring!!!

    d. neald. neal5 ditë më parë
  • STAP... Let the Lakers/Bron have their time as Champs... and y'all who are so stubborn at this topic... stop it... Get some help

    ArnamoArnamo5 ditë më parë
  • Sooooooo, are we just gonna forget about Kobe? 🤔

    De'Mario TatumDe'Mario Tatum5 ditë më parë
  • I like how he states “let’s take subjectivity out of it” and then uses criteria that are extremely subjective like DOP, MVP, which are voted on by people. Even titles is subjective because of team strength. Lastly, according to this logic a player could come second in every category for their entire career, and a player could have one amazing season and then be out of the league and they technically would have more stats on the “GOAT” criteria. This is very Low level stat analysis

    Hutong HustlerHutong Hustler5 ditë më parë
  • You don’t need to win scoring titles

    jullian garciajullian garcia5 ditë më parë
  • Great Breakdown. Let's Keep it a BUCK💯..Jordan probably should have won 7-8 MVPs in his Career. 🐐MAN.

    Gabriel AleleGabriel Alele5 ditë më parë
  • Shouldn't of one mvl this year disgusting he did of his name

    Olivia poirierOlivia poirier5 ditë më parë
  • except you call yourself the goat but your no where near jordan

    Olivia poirierOlivia poirier5 ditë më parë
  • "There's MJ, then there's everyone else." - Magic

    Lloyd NLloyd N5 ditë më parë
  • Too bad lebron won the chip same year with the The Last Dance premiered, everyone is reminded how great MJ was.

    Cheap HacksCheap Hacks5 ditë më parë
    • You can thank Lebron's hand-picked recruit, Anthony Davis for that...considered he carried LA to the Playoffs & most of the post season.

      Chris PrievoChris Prievo3 ditë më parë
  • Nobody affected NBA games like the real GOAT MJ, the 1998-99 season MJ - BULLS vs JAZZ 36 million viewers, 2020 NBA season considering most NBA fans are at home due to covid, Le-goat Lakers vs Heat only around 6 million watched the game. These are average viewers per game!

    Isabelo MarcosIsabelo Marcos5 ditë më parë
  • MVPS: Jordan : 5, Lebron: 4 Chips: Jordan: 6, Lebron: 4 Finals MVPS: Jordan: 6, Lebron: 4 Scoring Titles: Jordan: 10, Lebron: 1 DPOTY: Jordan: 1, Lebron: 0 All D first team: Jordan: 9, Lebron: 5 Steals Titles: Jordan: 3, Lebron: 0 Finals Losses: Jordan: 0, Lebron: 6 Number of NBA finals shooting under 30% from the 3pt line: Jordan: 0, Lebron: 2(2007,2012) Number of NBA finals scoring + assisting 50% of the team points(assuming all assists = 2 points) Jordan: 3(1991,1993,1997) - The only player in NBA history to have done this multiple times. Lebron: 1(2015) Championships without a 20 ppg scorer in playoffs: Jordan: 4, Lebron: 1 Jordan's finals opponents average wins: 61.2 LeBrons finals opponents average wins: 60.8 P.E.R (player efficiency rating): Jordan - led the league 7 times in P.E.R. Also finished top three 10 times in P.E.R. Regular season career avg P.E.R 27.9(1st in NBA history) and playoff career avg P.E.R 28.6(1st in NBA history) LeBron - led the league 6 times in P.E.R. Also finished top three 9 times in P.E.R. Regular season career avg P.E.R 27.5(2nd in NBA history). playoff career avg P.E.R 28.3(3rd in NBA history) Win Shares: Jordan - led the league 8 times. Also finished top three 11 times. WS/48mins regular season career avg .2505(1st in NBA history), WS/48mins playoff career avg .2553(1st in NBA history) LeBron - led the league 5 times. Also finished top three 6 times. WS/48mins regular season career avg .2345(6th in NBA history), WS/48mins playoff career avg .2436(3rd in NBA history). Box Plus Minus: Jordan - led the league 10 times. Also finished top three 11 times. Regular season career avg 9.22(1st in NBA history), playoff career avg 11.14(1st in NBA history). LeBron - led the league 5 times. Also finished top three 10 times. Regular season career avg 8.94(2nd in NBA history), playoff career avg 10.16(2nd in NBA history) Value Over Replacement Player: Jordan owns 6 out of the 9 greatest seasons ever played. LeBron owns 2 out of the 9 greatest seasons ever played. Jordan - VORP per game regular season career avg .1083(1st in NBA history), playoff career avg .1382(1st in NBA history) LeBron - VORP per game regular season career avg .1059(2nd in NBA history) playoff career avg .1289(2nd in NBA history) All time small forward rankings: (500 game min) LeBron - Points 2nd, Assists 1st, Rebounds 12th, Steals 9th, Blocks 17th, FG% 17th, FT% 107th. All time shooting guard rankings: (500 game min) Jordan - Points 1st, Assists 4th, Rebounds 3rd, Steals 3rd, Blocks 3rd, FG% 9th, FT% 34th. Clutch Shooting:(5secs to go in a game or overtime) Career Regular and Playoffs. LeBron - 19 out of 94 for 20% Jordan - 25 out of 50 for 50% Finals Win/Loss Record: Jordan - 24-11 Lebron - 18-31 Stop comparing GREATNESS to MEDIOCRE

    Kevin SellersKevin Sellers5 ditë më parë
    • Agreed. Social media today LOVES to hype of mediocrity to these young kids, foreign & domestic alike.

      Chris PrievoChris Prievo3 ditë më parë
  • LBJ already said he was the goat

    Domo JonesDomo Jones5 ditë më parë
  • “Greatest {at finishing 2nd} of all time”

    Team MARRATeam MARRA5 ditë më parë
  • die hard fans : "i am going to ignore the stats where my GOAT is behind, and i am only going to acknowledge all the stats where my GOAT is ahead."

    Jerico MagsombolJerico Magsombol5 ditë më parë
    • ....and you’re ignoring the facts, the so called GOAT at the pinnacle of his career, chooses to walk away because he wanted a different challenge 🤔🤔🤔🤔. The guy never played thinking or wanting to be acknowledged as the GOAT

      info_ prodigiousleyinfo_ prodigiousley4 ditë më parë
  • Bill Russell played as a player/coach, MJ played as a minority owner.

    Wilford HairstonWilford Hairston5 ditë më parë
  • Bill russel Michael jordan Kobe bryant Lbj. And other BASKETBALL LEGENDS..... ALL OF THIS GUYS are the face of basketball.... KUDOS SALUTE....

    Tylerjohn BraveTylerjohn Brave5 ditë më parë
    • ...🤔 I’ll say MJ but Big Bill🤔🤔🤔 🤷‍♂️, I can take 😂😂😂😂😂😂

      info_ prodigiousleyinfo_ prodigiousley4 ditë më parë
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