Max compares LeBron & Michael Jordan’s NBA Finals appearances | The Max Kellerman Show

14 Tet 2020
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Max Kellerman compares LeBron James and Michael Jordan's NBA Finals appearances and explains how that factors into the NBA GOAT debate.
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  • well compair comp that mj played in fiansl then lol

    TheVotiveTheVotive6 orë më parë
  • jordan never shot 60 percent from the field never was a assist rebound machine , more efficient then lebron yea ok jordan was a volume shooter Lebron scored 40 on 20 fga in game 5. jordan avg 30 fga a game one year

    Kid PokerKid Poker7 orë më parë
  • Stop just saying 6 for 6 without context it’s not just about not loosing it’s about the dominance imagine being on the other teams contending and knowing you have slim to no chance to win

    Roland taylorRoland taylor10 orë më parë
  • Let's not forget that Jordan had to face 5 HoFs, 4 in their prime in his first two playoff series with no help and one year he had an old George Gervin, in the 2nd year of his career when his leg got injured and he didn't play most of the season, he dropped 63 against that same team and Larry Bird called him a God. The Celtics would go on to win a ring and lose to the Lakers in those 2 playoff years in the mid 80s. After that Jordan faced the Detroit Pistons with 3 or 4 HoFs with a young Pippen and another old All Star whose names I can't remember and he won one game in that series, next year he only had a young non all star Pippen and won 2 games, then 3 games and finally swept them in 1991 with Pippen. Those years that the Pistons defeated the Bulls, they had to employ the Jordan Rules and went on to win the ring, in 2 of the 3 years they beat Jordan's Bulls, they won rings and swept the Lakers once, although tbf Magic got injured mid series. In 1991, Jordan started the first three peat with the only big name being Pippen, a player that Mike created, who was kind of similar to Kobe in regards to how Kobe started his career as a role player and became a star during his three peat with Shaq. In 1994, Jordan retired for the first time and gave Hakeem a chance to cement his legacy with 2 rings, then he came back out of retirement properly, got in shape, started the 2nd three peat with Rodman joining the squad and went 72-10 (NBA record at time), 69-13 (would be 70+ win season if Pippen didn't get injured) and a lockout season. He sealed the deal by delivering the last shot against the Jazz in Game 6 to secure his 6th title. MJ is the GOAT.

    Kristijan CarKristijan Car12 orë më parë
  • Not only did jordan have better ratings but what the fans got to see was worth seeing.

    J1E2TSJ1E2TS16 orë më parë
  • Also have to remember, Bulls got Scottie at draft time in a trade, so they grew Pippen. Pippen wasn't already an all-star. Unlike LeBron who goes and joins current Allstars.

    Darryl BowserDarryl Bowser23 orë më parë
  • How many teams did MJ jump over to, and load up to win Chips? ZERO. Lebron? 3 currently, yet, TBD... How many times did MJ cry foul, then stand underneath the bucket w/ his arms in the air, (or even sat on the floor under the basket), whining, while he let the rest of his team go 4 on 5 at the other end. ZERO. MJ would have been pissed off enough, to be the 1st to get back on D, just to steal the ball, himself. Lebron? 150- 200x? Again, TBD. And saying there was the whole, Yeah, they could "hand-check", thing. in MJ's era, is a joke. More like, 2 guys throw a sucker punch to MJ's face, while a 3rd steps in w/ a clothesline. Followed by MJ w/ the crazy lay in. And STILL no foul called. Mid 80s and 90s version of "Load Management". 🤜🏽🥴Today? You flop, or the Ds foot gets within 3' of their shooting space, it's just shy of a flagrant 1. And assuming 90% of the pop, watched TLD, then you know, Mid 80s, there was subpar gm attendance and tv viewership. MJ hits the scene, and the NBA blows up the world. Don't need to list game and fundamental stats, chips, or awards. "When you're good at something, you'll tell everyone. When your great at something, they'll tell you." Walter Payton MJ = 🐐

    Aimee DachAimee DachDitë më parë
  • Jordan didnt assemble his team He molded his day 1 guys

    yfz450rxyfz450rxDitë më parë
  • Death

    Kyng 45Kyng 452 ditë më parë
  • Now is it really fair to excuse fibal losses for greats like MJ and Bron. Because if that’s the case than we have to go back in history and see what other great can be excuse , to me that’s being fair

    Julio PouerietJulio Poueriet2 ditë më parë
  • This was the best break down of MJ vs. Lebron I've seen. Well said Max.

    JudahJudah2 ditë më parë
  • Max Kellerman knows his 💩!!

    Steve O RondinelliSteve O Rondinelli2 ditë më parë
  • Okay we there Michael Jordan 6 Championship in 6 Championship appearance and he win all 6 appearance. how about if LeBron James 10 championship appearance and he win all championship we can tell he is more capable of being a 🐐😊 or better than MJ

    Kendrick GanadenKendrick Ganaden2 ditë më parë
  • The truth!

    West Coast Paranormal InvestigatorsWest Coast Paranormal Investigators2 ditë më parë
  • I’m not a Bron hater, I’m just realistic. Jordan was better and die hard milenial Bron fans are as annoying as the old bandwagon warrior fans... MJ IS GOAT

    Cameron FowlerCameron Fowler2 ditë më parë
  • Moral of the story Jordan was a much better player than LeBron

    Cameron FowlerCameron Fowler2 ditë më parë
  • Now how could you argue with Max. You can't and you will get your feelings hurt

    Benjamin HugginsBenjamin Huggins2 ditë më parë
  • Lebron stans, shhh, not interested. This is a basketball question. If you could transplant the goats career to 10 years earlier. (He comes in just as athletically dominant, pip comes a little after that etc) how much would that/might that change his career? Chips, accolades?

    e moneye money2 ditë më parë
  • 10 times he played with scottie

    Brian PilsBrian Pils2 ditë më parë
  • Well said max.. on point.. Jordan is true goat.. u cannot compare anyone to Jordan.. no one

    Sandy ArnejaSandy Arneja2 ditë më parë
  • I think the concept of counting All Stars is a very flawed one., especially considering the makeup of teams were in Jordan's day and how they are in today's NBA are vastly different. Secondly when he says other All Star, there's varying levels to what that could entail. For example, Pippen in 1990 I would say was your solid, everyday All Star if that makes sense. Pippen in 1991 returned as something more than an All Star and by 1992 I'd call him a superstar and top 10 player in the NBA. Then on top of that, you look at a guy like Horace Grant who doesn't have these gaudy numbers, but in 1992 he was one of the best/impactful PFs in the NBA however, he did not make the All Star game when he should've. What you have there is a dynamic duo and a third complimentary star/borderline star while most teams of that era had 1-2 punches. (E.g dynamic duo in this case meaning 2 top 10 players on the same team) Portland had Clyde and Terry Porter, one top 10 player and a solid star level PG surrounded by depth. Phoenix had Barkley and an injury plagued KJ (at that time), one top 5 player, and a star level PG who dealt with injuries all year. Seattle had GP and Kemp. Two stars, GP borderline top 10 and Kemp one of the best PFs in the league. Utah had Stockton and Malone. Malone being probably the second best player in the NBA, but Stockton no longer a top 10ish player and past his prime (88-95). That being said a "super dynamic duo" which is what the Bulls had in Jordan and Pippen could take you farther in that era of the basketball than it probably can now given that most championship caliber teams of this era had legit Big 3s, incredibly deep teams as Max alluded to with the Spurs, or they have what Bulls had (two top 10 and in some cases two top 5 players with depth around them). So again All Star counting can be dangerous because it shows little to context, and groups everyone into the same category when there's varying levels in between those. And second in this type of comparison (I think they're interchangeable personally), team structure should be accounted for.

    Cameron BoydCameron Boyd3 ditë më parë
  • Four championships he doesn’t count??? What??? I’m done listening.

    Kript DawgKript Dawg3 ditë më parë
  • Hold up off the break max what lebron can start with less 🤦‍♂️🤔 he went to 1 championship with so called no players .... Allen, dwight , and was mo Williams a all star 🤔 it's so much narrative of excuses...all to say no lebron is not max max

    Chris GordonChris Gordon3 ditë më parë
  • Cant compare Jorden to Lebron . Jorden stood with one team to win ALL his Titles Lebron picks tht Team he wants to play on picks the coach picks the players and he is never be a JORDEN

  • Lets bring back the old school rules and see if the players today can take it? And pay lebron 30M+ contract for whole year like jordan.haha

    AKOcPAO TVAKOcPAO TV3 ditë më parë
  • is it just me who see’s Max Kellerman as the look alike persona of that one guy from the UK boyband group called 5ive or Five 🤣😅

    Sorceress Supreme Jen C GarciaSorceress Supreme Jen C Garcia4 ditë më parë
  • How is Jordan a more versatile defender? Did I miss the part where he was guarding 4s and 5s?

    James Brown Jr VA IIJames Brown Jr VA II4 ditë më parë
    • @Yzzuli he said "versatile defender" im asking why Max said more versatile defender when he's clearly false about that.

      James Brown Jr VA IIJames Brown Jr VA II4 ditë më parë
    • And at the same time you're saying this, it's ironic because Jordan has a DPOY

      YzzuliYzzuli4 ditë më parë
  • Max MJs first ring he was the only all star team. He beat a loaded Lakers team. That alone supersedes Lebron’s win over the GSW 73 win team. The average player back in the 90s was just as good as the players today. I would even argue they played the game better. More physical league with a much better defense not to mention your center can camp in the middle all day on defense. You can physically hold a player without him having the ball in his hands. You had to work just to get open. To me this is not an argument at all let alone a discussion. I understand you have to sell stories and that’s your job but honestly speaking MJ is in another league and I am sure you would agree. Lebron is great but the greatest is MJ and other players greater than Lebron still are Kobe, Magic, Kareem, and Bird. They all played in that league when it was simply harder and yes believe it or not had to be more skilled as the rules made it more difficult to score. You couldn’t do a eurostep as that would be a travel, alone other things they let players get away with. Also, we have zone today which means there is really 0 defense. This is the softest era of basketball and it almost seems like I am watching AAU. MJ didn’t play on a super team as well. So that is another point to add. There are many more but as I said this is not an argument let alone a discussion.

    Kalmar917Kalmar9174 ditë më parë
  • I agree with almost everything Max says here. But I still think the 2014 Spurs don't get the praise they deserve. I don't know if I have ever seen a better team performance in an NBA Finals than the Spurs in Games 3, 4 and 5. They were unplayable. Unstoppable! A roster as deep as I have ever see, with every single player knowing exactly what to do. A TEAM in the true sense of the word.

    Erich UErich U4 ditë më parë
  • this guy is really talking nonsense, clearly doesn't know the game

    Antz CariAntz Cari4 ditë më parë
  • when stephen A smith isn't interrupting you and you can actually complete your thoughts, you do make a lot of sense.

    Ayaan GirdharAyaan Girdhar4 ditë më parë
  • Tf is going on with your eyes pal

    Hy-OrbitHy-Orbit4 ditë më parë
  • so lebron is really 4 and 2 in the finals then???????

    William SandovalWilliam Sandoval5 ditë më parë
  • About time max I totally agree what you said 1000% agree

    Ogk jdriseOgk jdrise5 ditë më parë
  • Top Quote from the video : you dont want to compare a player to michael jordan, you get your feelings hurts -Max Kellerman-

    Julius TjahyadiJulius Tjahyadi5 ditë më parë
  • Thank you Max. End of debate!!! People will get their feelings hurt

    Mico LiuMico Liu5 ditë më parë
  • Okay, so 07', 15', 17' and 18' are excuse losses for LBJ. 90' is an excuse loss for MJ. Meaning, if we don't count excuse losses, LBJ is 4-2 in the Finals, with 4 Finals MVP's. MJ is 6-0 in the Finals, with 6 Finals MVP's. Also, Lebron completely melted down in the 2011 Finals against Mavs and in 2014 Finals he was neutralised to a certain degree by Kawhi. MJ has no such blemishes, unlike Lebron. I hate to tell you kids, but MJ is clearly the GOAT

    SedawSedaw5 ditë më parë
  • This radio show is perfect, love it

    northernlight1000northernlight10005 ditë më parë
  • You clearly said your average player was way better than players in the 90's ... Easily LeBron james is goat

    kenny fuenteskenny fuentes5 ditë më parë
  • It was 2007 not 2008

    Nasinator EmpireNasinator Empire5 ditë më parë
  • It’s like Jordan should be 8/8 and Lebron should be 8/10 vía this presentation. I’ve heard better arguments both players than this

    No HassleNo Hassle5 ditë më parë
  • Well back in that league in the 80s and 90s not many people had a good offensive or defensive game they fouled you hard and people call that tough no that’s a lack of skill.... how would mjs 2 point shots work against fast past offenses like today’s league? Even the bigs have to have an offensive game from 3 now. Jordan’s competition throughout his whole career is nowhere near the level of competition lebron had to face

    Kingjeffery420Kingjeffery4205 ditë më parë
  • Lebron ain't near MJ's level, this year's ring is one of the biggest asterisk rings of all time. Bubble ring? Gtfoh.

    David LinDavid Lin5 ditë më parë
    • Exactly

      fully upfully up2 ditë më parë
  • So lebron has no excuses for 2 lost finals, but got to the finals 1 time without any all star which would take away one maybe. The fact that someone won 2 times mvp finals for guarding him should take away half at least. So if Lebron wins 5 or 6 chips plus he will be the 1 scorer in nba history and very high top in assists, oh the race wiould be really close

    Patrick LPatrick L5 ditë më parë
  • 2008 Cavs did have other all stars, maybe not perennial all stars but 2 other players who made the all star team within 1 to 3 years of 2008. The East was weak, Lebrons team at that point didn't compare to his other ones for sure. But then you can't say on top of all of that, it doesn't count. It counts... He lost.

    Hale SongHale Song5 ditë më parë
  • MJ is GOAT

    Jun KimJun Kim5 ditë më parë
  • All good points brought up by Max. My only rebuttal is that having multiple All Stars or All Star caliber players back in Jordan's era, was far more impactful than now. Bc right now, you got teams like the T-Wolves who have a bonafide All Star in KAT, and a perennial All Star in DLo and they're one of the worst teams in the league. So yes, Jordan did have tremendous success while having an All Star, but Scottie Pippen wasn't just an All Star, he was also another top 7-10 player. I'd say even higher but that's just bias. Good points though, people need to stop discrediting MJ's chips, and they need to stop burning LeBron for his 4-6 record. Only idiots and casuals do that. Just appreciate them both and respect them. Simple

    Antonio WooAntonio Woo5 ditë më parë
  • Don’t compare MJ to LBJ goat bcause Its unpair to mj he can’t defend if lBj currently play.. did you think allowing that things happen? No if mj knows goat comparison mj never retired twice he retired on peak .. if mj never retired twice he earn mores MVP more scoring champ move final mvp more champ ring remember mj retired on 1998 he got final mvp scoring champ and reg MVp

    Bentong BoomBentong Boom5 ditë më parë
  • How can you compare these 2 when Lebron got swept in the finals not once but twice...the only player thats ever happened to...look it up..but i respect and like Lebron's game effort and talent but he aint no MJ !!! Facts💯💯💯

    Kenny MannKenny Mann5 ditë më parë
  • Your right about the average player now is better than players back then ...max K

    John KhaosJohn Khaos5 ditë më parë
  • I seen them both. Let's stop this comparison. MJ in a league by himself. Move on.

    mkeoninemkeonine5 ditë më parë
  • So how do Jordan & the Bulls look if Scottie Pippen didn't sign that stupid contract? They would have ended up with a player that would have spent more time on the bench than on the court. How does their starting line up look now?

    NixxtrrNixxtrr5 ditë më parë
  • I'm tired of hearing about Michael Jordan and LeBron James stop comparing them to Michael Jordan not played in the NBA in 25-30 years y'all still comparing give Young boy his props he's been the man for a long time start giving him his just dudes and find something else to talk and argue about

    Antoine HarriganAntoine Harrigan5 ditë më parë
  • Bron is a generation defining talent, but he is NOT on Jordan’s level. Clearly to everyone that’s not 18 and under

    Korey SylverKorey Sylver5 ditë më parë
  • MVPS: Jordan : 5, Lebron: 4 Chips: Jordan: 6, Lebron: 4 Finals MVPS: Jordan: 6, Lebron: 4 Scoring Titles: Jordan: 10, Lebron: 1 DPOTY: Jordan: 1, Lebron: 0 All D first team: Jordan: 9, Lebron: 5 Steals Titles: Jordan: 3, Lebron: 0 Finals Losses: Jordan: 0, Lebron: 6 Number of NBA finals shooting under 30% from the 3pt line: Jordan: 0, Lebron: 2(2007,2012) Number of NBA finals scoring + assisting 50% of the team points(assuming all assists = 2 points) Jordan: 3(1991,1993,1997) - The only player in NBA history to have done this multiple times. Lebron: 1(2015) Championships without a 20 ppg scorer in playoffs: Jordan: 4, Lebron: 1 Jordan's finals opponents average wins: 61.2 LeBrons finals opponents average wins: 60.8 P.E.R(player efficiency rating): Jordan - led the league 7 times in P.E.R. Also finished top three 10 times in P.E.R. Regular season career avg P.E.R 27.9(1st in NBA history) and playoff career avg P.E.R 28.6(1st in NBA history) LeBron - led the league 6 times in P.E.R. Also finished top three 9 times in P.E.R. Regular season career avg P.E.R 27.5(2nd in NBA history). playoff career avg P.E.R 28.3(3rd in NBA history) Win Shares: Jordan - led the league 8 times. Also finished top three 11 times. WS/48mins regular season career avg .2505(1st in NBA history), WS/48mins playoff career avg .2553(1st in NBA history) LeBron - led the league 5 times. Also finished top three 6 times. WS/48mins regular season career avg .2345(6th in NBA history), WS/48mins playoff career avg .2436(3rd in NBA history). Box Plus Minus: Jordan - led the league 10 times. Also finished top three 11 times. Regular season career avg 9.22(1st in NBA history), playoff career avg 11.14(1st in NBA history). LeBron - led the league 5 times. Also finished top three 10 times. Regular season career avg 8.94(2nd in NBA history), playoff career avg 10.16(2nd in NBA history) Value Over Replacement Player: Jordan owns 6 out of the 9 greatest seasons ever played. LeBron owns 2 out of the 9 greatest seasons ever played. Jordan - VORP per game regular season career avg .1083(1st in NBA history), playoff career avg .1382(1st in NBA history) LeBron - VORP per game regular season career avg .1059(2nd in NBA history) playoff career avg .1289(2nd in NBA history) All time small forward rankings: (500 game min) LeBron - Points 2nd, Assists 1st, Rebounds 12th, Steals 9th, Blocks 17th, FG% 17th, FT% 107th. All time shooting guard rankings: (500 game min) Jordan - Points 1st, Assists 4th, Rebounds 3rd, Steals 3rd, Blocks 3rd, FG% 9th, FT% 34th. Clutch Shooting:(5secs to go in a game or overtime) Career Regular and Playoffs. LeBron - 19 out of 94 for 20% Jordan - 25 out of 50 for 50% Stop comparing GREATNESS to MEDIOCRE

    Kevin SellersKevin Sellers6 ditë më parë
  • M.J. never in his entire career , had to ever take any shortcuts .

    Byron JonesByron Jones6 ditë më parë

    Leo Traeger MusicLeo Traeger Music6 ditë më parë
  • MJ never EVVVVVVVVVER choked in a finals game EVER Can you say that about bronbron?

    icculus19icculus196 ditë më parë
  • *07

    Allen MadrazoAllen Madrazo6 ditë më parë
  • LeBron was not the MVP in that series. He put up big numbers 36ppg 13Reb and 9 assists on 39%fg, 31%3pt, 68% Ft while not being double teamed. Curry was the clear MVP of that series. 26ppg 5rb, 6 assists and almost 2 steals on 44%fg, 39%3pt, 88%Ft in 42 minutes. That Warriors team is not winning without Curry.

    Remnant88Remnant886 ditë më parë
  • Facts from Max. Hard to Fing believe this is coming from your mouth. I like this Max. No emotions, just facts. Let's keep this up. It suits you.

    J PJ P6 ditë më parë
  • He makes the greatest point of all. On teams with similar talent, you put your money on Jordan to win more than LeBron. If LeBron and Jordan go head-to-head on teams who have the exact same talent level, be honest. Who are you taking. It's Jordan, and it's not much of a debate.

    Alexander ChoudhuryAlexander Choudhury6 ditë më parë
  • With less?? Bron been using super all star teams since after the first cavs run. Crazy !!! Count that finals loss. He didn't close the games n they were close games. Excuses excuses.

    obtuse 1obtuse 16 ditë më parë
  • Lebron becoming the GOAT is inevitable!

    LEXLEX6 ditë më parë
  • MJ 6-0, end of debate. The 🐐🐐🐐🐐

    kalasag ni juankalasag ni juan6 ditë më parë
  • “LeBron can start with less and get you closer to a championship”. Agreed since LeBron is practically a Magic Johnson on steroids, extremely good for getting to finals in 07 with no help. However he was not suppose to repeat another L in 2011 when he finally had that help. Should have been straight championships from that point on, nothing less.

    sunike07sunike076 ditë më parë
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    jo frojo fro6 ditë më parë
  • People dont remember the Dallas Mavericks destroyed the Lakers by 40 points that year they won the chip

    Damon HarperDamon Harper7 ditë më parë
  • This is why people run around talking a lot of bulshit because of videos like this how Max going to say he not going to count the two losses to the Golden State Warriors with Kevin Durant a loss is a loss it's on your fuking record smh

  • People pay to see a star player or a winner, Jordan was both.

    Jose Alfonso TerreroJose Alfonso Terrero7 ditë më parë
  • Let's not compare total stats cause lebron wanted to play more games in the NBA and MJ STOPPED PLAYING IN THE NBA EARLIER THAN LBJ, let’s compare career averages and career overall Player Efficiency Rating +/- and win shares, that’s the fair way of comparing due to Jordan having less total games due to certain circumstances

    Ariel Joseph BrionesAriel Joseph Briones7 ditë më parë
  • MJ Never had LOAD MANAGEMENT. Lebron will never be a GOAT.

    FlyToTheMoonFlyToTheMoon7 ditë më parë
  • So why does Bron get all these excuses but NOBODY else does? 🤔

    Daniel BurtonDaniel Burton7 ditë më parë
  • "You don't want to compare a player to Michael Jordan. You will get your feelings hurt." (Max Kellerman) Best comment I have heard in the GOAT debate!

    John JonesJohn Jones7 ditë më parë
  • So in 2014 LeBron doesnt get an excuse just because Wade was on the court limping on 1 leg? 😅 as a huge Wade fan I can admit that in the 2014 finals, Wade averaging 15 ppg on 43% shooting was a shell of his former self... Lebrons legit 2nd best player in that series was bosh, who scored 14 ppg. However, the Spurs shooting got so hot that their 4 leading scorers (TP, Kawhi, TD and Manu) all averaged more than 14 ppg and Mills + Green got so hot from deep that they cashed in 10 ppg as well. How is LeBron supposed to beat that? With the warriors who were the superior team in 2015, LeBron at least had a slim chance to beat them since they didnt perform in the finals like they did in the regular season, but the 2014 Spurs were the exact opposite, they played their best basketball of the entire season in that finals series against the heat

    Tobsi XITobsi XI7 ditë më parë
  • Y’all acting like lebron never carried his teams to the finals with no all stars when mj never did

    tanvir Rtanvir R7 ditë më parë
  • Bronsexuals always say how Wade performed badly in the finals and only reason MJ won was because he had Pippen... Pippen stats in the 2nd three peat: 1996: 16+8+5 on 34% shooting 1997: 20+8+3.5 on 42% shooting 1998: 16+7+5 on 41% shooting *But Pippen carried Jordan right*

    Nick 34Nick 347 ditë më parë
  • Jordan is the GOAT by FAR!!!! It's not even close. Also, what people forget about that Game 7 in 1990 against the Pistons is that John Paxson, the starting pg was also hurt and he didn't play. So with Pippen's "headache game" and Paxson out, Jordan was playing without 2 Starters! BTW, Pippen did not make the All Star team in 1991 or in 1998. So Jordan won 2 of those Titles with ZERO All Star teammates. Jordan also had a tougher road to the Finals. Back then Eastern Conference was the Tougher Conference. Jordan Eliminated more 60 wins teams than Lebron. Lebron for the most part had a cake walk to the finals. For those that say that lebron can do more with less.........yeah.......right. That is why Lebron always needed Established All Star players to team up with. If it were true that he could win with less, then why did he leave the cavs?? Why didn't he win with those teams? Winning with Wade, Bosh, Kyrie, Love, and AD is NOT winning with less. Lebron had 2 All Star teammates with the Heat and lost Twice in the Finals even with them. He had 2 more All Star Teammates with the Cavs and lost 2 more Finals. Bottom line is Jordan is the GOAT by Far. Lebron is an All Time Great who will end up Top 6, as low as 6 and as high as 2. We'll see. As Max said at the end, lebron fans do Lebron as disservice comparing their boy to Jordan. When you do that, lebron looks small, as do all the other Greats.

    Master SpadeMaster Spade7 ditë më parë
  • It's funny how the NBA GIVES A GUY WHO'S GUARDING BRON the Finals MVP. Even though they get 50 dropped on em.

    Thulani BuciboThulani Bucibo7 ditë më parë
  • Who's had the Greatest Game in NBA History? #1) Wilt Chamberlain's scoring averages and stats that are out of this world. Make your pick of games. It just will never, ever, ever be done again! It's looks like a video game scoring and playing stats! #2 The 1992 Dream Team upset being beaten by a College Rookie All Star Team in a supposedly not videotaped scrimmage game. The game was so lopsided that not a single video was found but all admit it happened with Chris Webber having a great game against you name it.. MJ, Magic, Shaq, Patrick Ewing....This game was the game that made the Dream Team realize they could be beaten and weren't invisible inspiring them to win in Barcelona 1992. Chris Webber must have gotten paid a lot of money not to talk because he is very quiet about what may have been his greatest game. Lots of secrecy to this day. #3 Lebron James 29 straight points in a double or triple overtime counting from the 4th quarter with his first Cavs vs Detroit Pistons championship team with only 1 point scored by rest of team, not even counting all the other points before this feat taking the Cavs to it's first Finals vs a loaded Spurs at #1! #4 LeBron outscoring and outplaying all players on both teams I believe in 2015 of Warriors vs Cavs Finals becoming the first to become a real chance to get MVP on a losing team since Jerry West. Jerry West and the NBA did a social media campaign to stop this; or else LeBron may have won Finals MVP? #5 LeBron's Comeback of being down 3-1 from Warriors willing his team to fight and win a thriller Game 7 against a 73-9 Warriors team (72-10 Bulls #2) in 2016. The final 5 minutes no one could score anything favoring the Cavs. Lebron James blocked shot to me was bigger than Kyrie's 3 because had the Warriors made it, they would have started hitting 3s left and right. After this loss, the Warriors felt they needed Kevin Durant to make sure they wouldn't lose again. Since the First Round was won by Warriors because of injuries, and Round 2 LeBron and Cavs. Round 3 & 4 went to Warriors by adding Durant. Imagine had Durant stayed put, LeBron might have 1-2 more championships. One for the Ages like Brady's Superbowl Comeback vs Atlanta. #6 In terms of pressure, the Coronovirus Pandemic Season & the Post-Kobe tragedy Laker Season & the 90 day Bubble is unthinkable of LeBron's MVP with everyone thinking AD would easily get it. He made the MVP Finals look easy with a triple double average, after being robbed of Regular Season MVP for the second or third time in his career. #7 Kobe scoring 82 points vs Toronto Raptors in a regular season game. We didn't see Wilt Chamberlain get his, so this is the highest ever seen on TV but it was a regular season game. If a Playoff Game, I would put #1. #8 Wilt Chamberlain scoring 100 points in a single game but not videotaped. It happened! You could actually rotate this to Number 1 but since he had so many great stats; it makes this one look like business as usual. #9 Game 3 of MJ and the Bulls vs the New York Knicks where he scored 50+ points being down 0-2 in the playoffs. #10 Reggie Miller and the Pacers in a super drought in Madison Square Gardens and then Reggie going into the Zone making shots from everywhere and making Knicks fans worried as they returned to Indianapolis up 3-2 in the playoffs. One of the craziest basketball endings ever! With Spike Lee motivating Reggie unintentionally as a Knick fan in Madison Square Gardens. #11 Shaq and Kobe sweeping the Finals in their 2nd Championship with out of this world domination on both ends of the court. A Massacre winning the Playoffs 15-1, best Playoff NBA record ever! Greatest Laker Team ever? #12 The Lakers rallying as a team to win Game 7 after being down and fans walking out in the 4th Quarter against Portland. Kobe's pass to Shaq and his famous dunk is the crown that started a 3 peat not done since MJ and Celtics of 50s and 60s. Kobe and Shaq on defense with lots of help. #13 Robert Horry, Sam Cassell with Akeem the Dream & Clyde Drexler vs Shaq and Penny with the Magic in the NBA Finals. I'm a former Magic fan. I should know. It was so unpredictable of what Houston's shooters would get hot of Sam Cassell & Robert Horry. And then go ice cold. Crazy! #14 The Splash Brothers in any regular season game during their first title win and lost before Kevin Durant. Too many crazy 3 point records, scoring in a quarter records, and you get the point. #15 MJ and the Bulls vs the Phoenix Suns was a massacre. MJ didn't let Phoenix win a single home game in 6. #16 The 72-10 Bulls Championship run with an older but wiser MJ. Loaded with rebounders such as Dennis Rodman. #17 Derrick Fischer and Kobe Bryant vs the Orlando Magic and Kobe's winning a 4th title in a dominate form Massacre. #18 Kevin Durant, James Harden and Russell Westbrook outplayed by LeBron James after being up 1-0 on the Oklahoma City Thunder. #19 Kevin Durant and the Splash Brothers vs Lebron without Kyrie and the Cavs in a sweep for the Warriors third championship. #20 Bill Russell's career Finals playoff stats make your pick. 11 titles and 13 visits. Great defensively but remember the Celtics was a loaded team.

    Andrel JohnsonAndrel Johnson8 ditë më parë
  • The era of basketball back in the 80's and 90's was a lot more physical and harder. Players were mentally tougher and stronger. The players these days r soft. Mj will always be the greatest.

    Nz AllblacksNz Allblacks8 ditë më parë
  • LeBron James IS Better Than Michael Jordan IN MY Opinion

    Roman HillRoman Hill8 ditë më parë
  • Not being in shape is an excuse now??

    Jordan WestJordan West8 ditë më parë
  • peak LeBron over peak Jordan. No one will ever be better then 2016 LeBron and 2018 LeBron. That was unmatchable. Jordan did a lot of great things but he never did anything that spectacular. Jordan was also always the favorite cause he Scottie who in his own right was a top 3 player in the league. Scottie also finished 3rd in mvp voting for 1994. People also don't wanna hear this but the 90s talent wise pretty weak compared to other eras. Jordan didn't beat the Celtics, they got old. Jordan didn't beat the Lakers. they got old. Jordan didn't beat the pistons. they got old. Jordan didn't win until all those great teams were done. and from 90 to 98. The talent was not like it was in the 80s and was not like it was now or even the 2000s. LeBron has consistently played greater teams then Jordan. And at the end of the day its really preference. But to say that Jordan's peak is "objectively" better then LeBron's is ridiculous

    Devin MartinezDevin Martinez8 ditë më parë
  • “No team was going to beat that warriors team”

    Mantey FerdinandMantey Ferdinand8 ditë më parë
  • Pipen is HOF not all star

    Ahmed FathyAhmed Fathy8 ditë më parë
  • Lebron is the goat

    Lace NikksLace Nikks8 ditë më parë
  • 2015 was an excuse?? Cmon now, Cavs were up 2-1 at home with a chance to made it 3-1, but Bron had a horrible game. Mosgov had the game high 29pts that game. If Bron just showed up that game, it wouldve been a different story. NO EXCUSE there, Steph and Klay were rookies in the finals. While Bron made it to that big stage for his 6th in total when they faced.

    Cris MarteCris Marte8 ditë më parë
  • I stopped listening when Max suggested that Lebron should have won finals MVP in a series that he lost. Nothing against Lebron, but the idea that you could ever win Finals MVP when your team loses the series is absolutely ridiculous. The Most Valuable Player by definition needs to be on the winning team since they made the difference in their team winning the series. If your team loses, it doesn't matter how well you played because it didn't make a difference in helping your team win. You only add significant value to your team when you win. If you lose it does not make a difference if you were incredible or awful because you still lost either way. In other words, the final result of the series is all that matters. The most valuable player HAS to be a winner.

    mg2302mg23028 ditë më parë
  • When Max is on his own show he gives a better analysis as far as comparing players than most analysts do (I suspect he holds some of his knowledge/arguments back quite a bit on first take). That said I don’t really agree with his methodology in general, specifically regarding the complete focus on peak and lack of regard for longevity when discussing the better player, with Max instead labeling longevity as an indication of a “better career.” If Max is going to start applying the methodology of “who had the higher peak” when discussing the best players, you’re gonna get some very...interesting results. I don’t believe many people in these comments rank Curry in their top 5 all time or have DWade on par with Kobe (even though their absolute peaks would qualify them for such spots). I’d imagine the counter to this argument would be something like “well the player’s peak has to last a certain amount of time”, but then this becomes a completely arbitrary analysis. What is the cut off for how long the peak has to last? Why are we not rewarding Lebron for having a comparable peak to Jordan that also lasted far longer (at this point it’s looking like Lebron’s peak/prime will exceed Jordan’s entire tenure with the Bulls)? Of course none of this takes into consideration the evolution of athletes and the exponential improvements in athletic training, medicine, dieting, flights, preparation/film, coaching schemes, etc. max mentions it briefly in this video but quickly sweeps it under the rug. I agree that Jordan at his absolute peak relative to the 90’s was better than Lebron at his absolute peak relative to the late 2000’s/2010’s, but then the discussion becomes a game of “Is looking solely at absolute player peaks the best way to determine who is better?” And “Are we adjusting for the fact that Lebron is playing significantly better competition on average?” Max Kellerman, you may never see this, but I would love to have the opportunity to debate you on Lebron vs Jordan, or any debate regarding two players really! I promise my feelings won’t get hurt.

    David StullDavid Stull8 ditë më parë
    • This is a good reply/rebuttal to the things that Max brought up in this video. I’d be very interested to see how Max would respond to the questions you proposed for him today. Hopefully he sees this, it would result in a very intriguing conversation.

      Based_of_DorinBased_of_Dorin8 ditë më parë
  • Not being in shape is not an excuse. And you said you weren't gonna mention MJ chips when making a case but immediately went into his championships. LOL

    Jonathan SmithJonathan Smith8 ditë më parë
  • S.A has left the conversation 🤣🤣🤣

    John Cedrick YuJohn Cedrick Yu8 ditë më parë
  • “MJs never choked” no It’s just that when MJ choked, his team elevated themselves to make up for it. there’s a long list of important games in JUST the playoffs that MJ was awful. 1. 1986 Closeout Game in the first round he scored 19 points on 40% (Bulls lose) 2. 1987 Closeout Game in the first round he scored 27 but shot 26% from the field. (Bulls loss) 3. 1989 ECSF game 2 stole home court advantage from the knicks in game 1, chance to go up 2-0 against a depleted New York, scores 15 points on 41%. (Bulls lose) 4.1989 ECF Game 5 series is tied at 2-2, Jordan scores 18 points in 46 minutes (out scored by 2 role players on his own team when he’s the primary scorer) (Bulls lose) 5. 1990 first round Closeout Game shoots 30% from the field (Bulls win) 6+7. 1990 ECF, Game 2: 20 points shooting 31% from the field. Game 7 Closeout Game to go the finals: 39% from the field. (Bulls lose both) 8. 1991 Finals Game 3: 39% from the field (Bulls win) 9. 1992 ECSF game 6 Closeout Game, scores 21 on 36% (Bulls Lose) 10+11. ECF game 2 chance to go up 2-0 and keep home court advantage scores 20 points on 31% (Bulls lose), game 6 (Closeout Game) shoots 37% from the field (Bulls win) 12. 1992 finals game 4 chance to go up 3-1 , shoots 32%. (Bulls lose) 13+14+15+16. 1993 ECF G1: shoots 37% (Bulls lose) G2: shoots 37% (Bulls lose), G3: Shoots 16% from the field when his teams 2-0 down (Bulls win) G6 (Closeout Game) shoots 33% (Bulls win) 17.1993 Finals opportunity to go up 3-0 GM3: Scores 44 points but shoots 32% (Bulls lose) 18. 1995 first round close out game , shoots 38% (Bulls win) 19+20. 1995 ECSF GM1: Shoots 37% + game losing turnover with under 30 seconds left (Bulls lose) GM4: Shoots 34% (Bulls Win) 21+22+23. ECSF GM1: Scores 44 but shoots 38%, (Bulls win), GM2: Shoots 34% (Bulls win), GM3: Scores 46 but on 38%.(Bulls Loss) 24. 1996 ECF GM3 chance to go up 3-0: shoots 36% (Bulls win) 25+26+27. 1996 Finals GM2: Shoots 40% (Bulls win), GM4 (Closeout Game) Shoots 31% (Bulls lose), GM6 (Closeout Game) on the enrage or choking 3-0 lead in the finals: Scores 22 on 26% from the field (Bulls Win) 28+29. 1997 ECSF GM3: 21 points on 40% from the field (Bulls win), GM5 (Closeout Game): 24 on 39% from the field (Bulls win) 30. 1997 ECF GM2 chance to go up 2-0: 23 on 26% from the field (Bulls Win) 31+32. 1997 Finals: GM3: Shoots 31% (Bulls lose), GM4: Shoots 40% (Bulls lose) 33+34+35. 1998 ECF: GM1: Shoots 39% (Bulls Win), GM3: Shoots 39% Bulls lose), GM7 (Closeout Game): Shoots 36% (Bulls Win) 36+37+38. 1998 Finals: GM2: Shoots 32% (Bulls win), GM4: Shoots 41% (Bulls win), GM6: Hits game winner and scores 45 but chucks 35 shots and shoots 41%. 38 Whole Play off Games where Jordan was awful and in a lot of these his team still won. To demonstrate how awful some of these percentages are, 2 of the worst shot chuckers in the NBA today are Russel Westbrook and John Wall, they both shoot above 40% in the playoffs and regular season. Stop acting as if Jordan is perfect. if he’s your goat that’s fine, but people need to stop acting as if he had a flawless record, he was horrible in some crucial games and series. Every great player has bad games and series but it’s how they overcome it. Funny how none of the media has ever told you about these games because thy don’t want to tarnish their heroes legacy.

    Areesh KirmaniAreesh Kirmani8 ditë më parë
  • 10 seasons Jordan didnt make it to the finals... (lets not forget he quit 4 seasons too, yes a quitter) Thats not held against Jordan, But lebron getting to the finals 10x and winning 4 is held against him? where is the logic here...

    Manager MattManager Matt8 ditë më parë
    • when it takes twice as long to do something That someone did in less time, it called the other person being better than you. there is the logic..... lol FYI Jordan made finals on 6 out of 13 seasons really .. 2 seasons he was hurt and one he came back from retirement at the end. 2 seasons he was 39 and 40 with wizards so actually you can argue 6 out of 11 seasons lol

      Mike SerranoMike Serrano7 ditë më parë
  • GOAT doesn't just mean numbers. MJ LIFTED his team mates and opponents to a new place they'd never been before.

    Karl AndersenKarl Andersen8 ditë më parë
  • Who was the powerhouse teams in the East in 07 and this is a year before Boston “big 3”?

    Corey GilmoreCorey Gilmore8 ditë më parë
  • Love the debate but I’ll throw one out that I haven’t heard ever, who would you like to start a franchise with out of MJs teammates and LeBrons. You obviously have Pippen for MJ and then you have D-Wade and Chris Bosh then you have Kyrie Irving and Kevin Love and then you have Anthony Davis. Who ranks where? Maybe throw in there Horace Grant.

    Corey GilmoreCorey Gilmore8 ditë më parë
  • Bro common!!!!! Lebron been in the league how long 17 years ???? And really his record should be 2-7 ray Allen saved him after he shot a three pointer he knew he wasn’t going to make, ooo and 2nd kyrie hit the biggest shot in 20 years smh 👏🏿👏🏿. That’s all this guy has to show us in 17 years 😂😂 do u kno that 90% of people can’t wait for this clown to retire he ruined the whole league gtfoh

    JET LYFER420JET LYFER4208 ditë më parë
  • The truth!!!

    Lyubomir GrigorovLyubomir Grigorov8 ditë më parë
  • Stop. Two different era's. One (MJ) was in a physical era of God's still put up number which literally taking players almost 20 yrs to reach which he did it in less than 13 yrs. The other (LJ) is in this era of pixies.

    God JUDAGod JUDA8 ditë më parë